THE HISTORIC QUATRE-BRAS FARM : IT'S ALL OVER !

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Because it had been asked, I've added the reasons given by the Ministery why they refused to list the buiding.

On the website of the Daily Express : http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723151/Battle-Waterloo-historic-farm-building-demolished-heritage-groups-furious

Interview for 20 Minutes : http://www.20minutes.fr/lille/1944703-20161018-belgique-destruction-ferme-historique-temoin-waterloo

Even in the Chinese press : http://french.peopledaily.com.cn/VieSociale/n3/2016/1019/c31360-9129533.html

A few pictures here : https://www.facebook.com/dominique.timmermans.5/posts/870727899729128

The Walloon Region did nothing to save this historic building and approved it's destruction. That's how they take care of their/our heritage. And this example is far from being unique ! The same week, we heard that the castle of Noisy was goind to be destroyed. Look here :  http://immobilier.lefigaro.fr/article/ce-chateau-de-conte-de-fee-belge-sera-bientot-detruit_62ea7a90-9b42-11e6-b6d2-21d92bf1c42f/ http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/champagne-ardenne/ardennes-belges-chateau-noisy-bientot-totalement-detruit-1118873.html 

Pictures taken on 26 Octobre 2016 and friendly shared by M. Marc Fasol.

Pictures taken on October 15, 2016.

Just one of the remarks made in one of the many Facebook groups that shared the info : "The sort of vandalism one expects of Isis." : https://www.facebook.com/groups/737735146337023/
Or in a French forum  :"Ces miserables talibans :furieux: Je n'ai pas de mots pour qualifier leur acte digne de DAESH à Palmyre."
http://www.napoleon1er.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=29061
Beyond borders, the same indignation...

 

Fifth request for demolition (05/2016)

I just heard from a journalist that the municipality of Genappe gave the OK for the destruction of the Quatre-Bras farm. I guess the new request was introduced very discreetly so that no-one could oppose to it.
It now must be approved by the Walloon region.
I suggestion we write to the Walloon Minister of Cultural Heritage.

 

Minister of Cultural Heritage Maxime PREVOT
Place des Célestines, 1
5000
Namur
Tel : +32 81 321 870
Fax : +32 81 321 700
E-maill : maxime.prevot@gov.wallonie.be
http://gouvernement.wallonie.be/competences-du-gouvernement-wallon/patrimoine

You can find un example of a letter to him in French here (please adapt the letter putting your name and changing what is in red, even in English, and don't forget to put you name and address)  (adaptation of the 2013 letter) : http://napoleon-monuments.eu/MONUMENTSENPERIL/LettreTypeMinistrePrevot2016.doc

rEASONS given by the ministry for refusinG to list the building - and our answer

Some people asked us why the Walloon minister of Heritage refused to list (even a part of) the farm -which is mentioned in the Inventary of the « Patrimoine monumental de la Belgique » (Monumental heritage of Belgium) (Tome 2 Province de Brabant Arrondissement de Nivelles Edition Ministère de la culture française, 1974, 624 pages, 325 illustrations, page 30) . This would have made it possible to save the essential part of it while enabling the development of the project. Moreover, one of the preambles of the refusal of the destruction of the building in 2011 was "Considérant que le bien est repris à l'inventaire du patrimoine monumental  de la Belgique" "Considering the fact that the building is mentioned in the Monumental heritage of Belgium" All of a sudden, 5 years later, that doesn't count anymore !

The listing has been refused by the services of the ministry for the following reasons :
- The building - even if it dates from the 18th century ! - shows no special qualities, and there are already other farms of the same era in the region which are listed.

- The farm didn't play an important role in the battle. (sic) The experts said they based their opinion on  the book written by Alain Arcq, Les Quatre-Bras, le second prélude à Waterloo, (dans la collection "Les batailles oubliées", Historic'One Editions, 2005). When I said that to the author of the book, he answered that, in that case, "they surely never had opened my book."

- There are already "too many Waterloo buidings" listed.
1) It is not a "Waterloo building", but  a building of the battle of Quatre-Bras, and it was the very last buiding of that hamlet. Moreover, no other farm of that battle is listed.
2)  There are not "too many buildings listed" and that  protection is only partial.  That doesn't prevent a listed buiding to be covered with flashy signs, even with giantinflatable bottles.
3) The fact that there are other listed buildings can not be an argument to refuse to list another buiding of the same worth, otherwise, where would that lead us to ? Buckingham palace is protected, so we can destroy Windsor Castle ? That is the kind of reasoning they had.

 

10 May 2014 : the enquiry is now closed. It is too late to write, but you can still sign our petition in support of the project of extension of the historically protected Waterloo battlefield : https://14388.lapetition.be/

Sign and share please ! Don't forget to confirm your signature by clicking on the (second ofr third) link in the e-mail that you will receive.

 

Results of the public enquiry : 112 letters were introduced – 110 against or with remarks,  2 in favour.

Fourth request for demolition (04/2014)

Public enquiry from 22 April until 9 May 2014.

Again, this project aims at a complete destruction of the farm in order to build a shop and an elderly home.

Dear Friends of History

 

Already in September 2008, in February 2011and in 2013, we appealed to many of you in order to save from destruction the historic Quatre-Bras farm, maybe the last witness of the famous battle of 16 June 1815 (two day before Waterloo). It is located at the crossroads of the roads from Namur to Nivelles and from Brussels to Charleroi, and also served as a hospital after the battle.

Our appeal met a great success and thanks to your massive response, the project was rejected and the authorization to destroy the historic farm turned down.

Now, again, the owner, a property developer, has introduced a new request to destroy the farm buildings in order to build a shop and an elderly home.


Again, we have to stand up against this project and express our disapproval of it. We already had some important support from the French side, but we desperately need British and Dutch (and other) support too!  If some British and Dutch (Napoleonic or military) associations and museums would care to send a letter to the "Administration communale" of both towns, we are sure this could have some impact!

The farm being located at the border of two districts, the e-mails and/or letters of rejection have to be addressed to both municipalities:

- at Genappe:     by e-mail at: info@genappe.be

          and/or by mail at: 

                                            Au Collège Communal,

                                            Espace 2000, 3,

                                            B-1470 Genappe

                                            Belgium

 
- at Villers-la-Ville : by e-mail at olivier.vantielen@publilink.be and valerie.damanet@publilink.be, the two local officials in charge of the town planning at Villers-la-Ville. (If one of these addresses gives an error message, please try again, their mailbox has already been saturated once.)

 

                                                 BEFORE 9 MAY 2014 (after that date, it's too late). Don't forget to mention name, address and phone number, and also "Fait à... " "Done at"+ the place where you are and the date.

 Here is an exemple of letter in French you can use, mentioning of course your name and address. You can take over the whole letter or just a part of it.

Thank you to inform us of any action or letter at dominique.timmermans@skynet.be, so that I can keep you informed of any development.

 

You can find some arguments in the letters (in English) I wrote last year for the ministers. DO NOT WRITE TO THESE MINISTERS NOW. The opposition MUST be send to the local authorities now.

LettreTypeMinistreHenry_EN

LettreTypeMinistreDiAntonio_EN

LettreTypeMinistreFurlan_EN

 

 

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Third request for demolition 2012-2013

M. Carlo Di Antonio, Minister of Cultural Heritage, has asked his services to examine the opportunity of listing the farm. These services have refused, saying that "there were already many 1815 buildings listed" and "that the farm didn't play an important role in the battle" !

 

 

Update  16 March 2013

I have translated the three letters to the ministers in English, so you can exactly read what our arguments are :

LettreTypeMinistreHenry_EN

LettreTypeMinistreDiAntonio_EN

LettreTypeMinistreFurlan_EN

Only a few days left. Please act now ! At the end of the month, it will be too late !

5 March 2013

- Two other articles: http://www.lacapitale.be/674733/article/regions/brabant-wallon/actualite/2013-03-01/genappe-les-defenseurs-du-patrimoine-contre-attaquent-pour-sauver-la-
http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20130228_00274894&postcode=1470

1 March 2013

A newspaper article : http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20130226_00273931&postcode=1470

22 February 2013

We think the best thing that is left to be done is to write in great numbers to the competent authorities, the Walloon Government. You will find underneath the names and addresses of the three ministers in charge.
 


M. Philippe Henry,
Ministre de l’Environnement, de l’Aménagement du territoire et de la Mobilité
Rue des Brigades d'Irlande 4
B-5100 Jambes (Namur)
Belgium
Tel : +32(0)81.32.35.11
Fax : +32(0)81.32.34.75
http://henry.wallonie.be/
Contact: http://henry.wallonie.be/contact

He is responsible for the "'Aménagement du Territoire", more or less "town and country planning" and his services gave the authorisation to destroy the building.
 

You can find un example of a letter to him in French here (please adapt the letter, even in English, and don't forget to put you name and address):

LettreTypeMinistreHenry

LettreTypeMinistreHenry_EN


M. Carlo Di Antonio
Ministre des Travaux publics, de l’Agriculture, de la Ruralité, de la Nature, de la Forêt et du Patrimoine
Chaussée de Louvain 2
B-5000 Namur
Belgium

Tel : +32(0)81.710.310
Fax : +32(0)81.710.380

http://diantonio.wallonie.be/
Contact : http://diantonio.wallonie.be/contact

He is in charge of the "Patrimoine", our cultural heritage, and as such also competent, as the person who gave the authorisation is also in charge for the "Patrimoine".

You can find un example of a letter to him in French here (please adapt the letter, even in English, and don't forget to put you name and address:

LettreTypeMinistreDiAntonio

LettreTypeMinistreDiAntonio_EN


M. Paul Furlan
Ministre des Pouvoirs locaux, de la Ville et du Tourisme
Rue du Moulin de Meuse, 4
B-5000 Beez (Namur)
Belgium

Tel : +32(0)81.234.711
Fax : +32(0)81.234.720
http://furlan.wallonie.be/
Contact : http://furlan.wallonie.be/contact

He is in charge of Tourism and is setting up a tourist trail on the 1815 battlefields. But what's the use if they destroy what is to be seen ?

You can find un example of a letter to him in French here (please adapt the letter, even in English, and don't forget to put you name and address

LettreTypeMinistreFurlan

LettreTypeMinistreFurlan_EN

These three letters are slightly different and put the accent on the minister's area of responsibility.

Of course, I have already written, as has the president of the ACMN. And I can tell you the Duke of Wellington in person has done the same thing !

We have 60 days from the day it was officially announced (January 31, 2013). So we have until the end of March.

 

We support the restauration project of the Brunswick monument at Quatre-Bras by the Braunschweig Gelernte Jäger Kompanie-Belgium : http://napoleon-monuments.eu/SOUSCRIPTION_BRUNSWICK.pdf

 

1 February 2013

Dear Friends
I have just heard that the government official of the Walloon Region, in charge of this matter, has given his approval for the destruction of the historic Quatre-Bras farm.
http://www.genappe.be/commune/services-communaux/urbanisme/ferme-des-quatre-bras-a-baisy-thy
This means that this official doesn't care at all about its historic worth !
Even less about the fact that the good is mentioned in the inventory of the "Monumental heritage of Belgium".
He has taken none of our 2008 and 2011 objections into account.
Genappe has introduced an appeal, but this has nothing to do with the historic aspect of the place.
This means that our two victories of 2008 and 2011 will have been in vain.
If a project is rejected, it's enough to reintroduce it until it is accepted ! It's that simple.
Yours.
Dominique Timmermans

 

Everything underneath is related to the two first requests for demolition, but I leave it so you can understand the complete story

Second request for demolition 2011

Update February 2012

IMMO RPM went in appeal but was ruled out. The refusal of the demolition was confirmed. But in the meantime, the building goes on deteriorating.

 

23/05/11

A very good article :                                        SAUVONS LA FERME DES QUATRE-BRAS

27/04/11

The "Collège communal" of Genappe has given a negative advice, even if they agree with the principle of the building of a home for the elderly at that place.  The negative advice is, among other things, motivated by an absence of guarantee on the future use of the place and by the negative advice of the fire department.

The government official of the Walloon Region, in charge of this matter, has rejected the request.

We are very glad that he mentioned,

"Considérant que le bien est repris à l'inventaire du "Patrimoine monumental de la Belgique".

"Considering the fact that the good is mentioned in the inventory of the "Monumental heritage of Belgium"

However, this doesn't mean that the farm has been saved, because we suppose another request will be introduced.  To be continued...

Thank you for your support.

 

 18/02/11 : an exemple of lettre in French you can use , mentioning of course your name and address BEFORE 22 FEBRUARY 2011.

Don't forget to mention name, address and phone number, and also "Fait à... " "Done at"+ the place where you are and the date.

I've just heard that and they seem to refuse without that !

15/02/11

Dear Friends of History

 

Already in September 2008, we appealed to many of you in order to save the historic Quatre-Bras farm, maybe the last witness of the famous battle of 16 June 1815 (two day before Waterloo), from destruction. It is located at the crossroads of the roads from Namur to Nivelles and from Brussels to Charleroi, and also served as a hospital after the battle.

Our appeal met a great success and thanks to your massive response, the project was rejected and the authorization to destroy the historic farm turned down.

Now, two years later, the owner, a property developer, has introduced a new request to destroy the farm buildings in order to build new houses and offices.


Again, we have to stand up against this project and express our disapproval of it. We already had some important support from the French side, but we desperately need British and Dutch (and other) support too!  If some British and Dutch (Napoleonic or military) associations and museums would care to send a letter to the "Administration communale" of both towns, we are sure this could have some impact!

The farm being located at the border of two districts, the e-mails and/or letters of rejection have to be addressed to both municipalities:

- at Genappe:     by e-mail at: info@genappe.be

          and/or by mail at: 

                                            Au Collège Communal,

                                            Espace 2000, 3,

                                            B-1470 Genappe

                                            Belgium

 
- at Villers-la-Ville : by e-mail at olivier.vantielen@publilink.be and valerie.damanet@publilink.be, the two local officials in charge of the town planning at Villers-la-Ville. (If one of these addresses gives an error message, please try again, their mailbox has already been saturated once.)

                                                 BEFORE 22 FEBRUARY 2011 (after that date, it's too late).

Don't forget to mention your complete name and address. This is compulsory for your request to be accepted.

You can write in English or get some inspiration here, from our press release in French:

http://napoleon-monuments.eu/MONUMENTSENPERIL/20110210CommuniqueQuatre-Bras.doc

 

Only a few weeks after the theft of the Christ at the Hougoumont farm and of the commemorative stone on the south wall of the Quatre-Bras farm, we can not allow the new act of - what some of you very eloquently called – " historical barbarism" to happen.
 

Thank you to inform us of any action or letter at dominique.timmermans@skynet.be, so that I can keep you informed of any development.

 

Many thanks in advance.

Yours sincerely.

Dominique Timmermans
Maj (R)
(Coverage in the Belgian press on our page in French: http://napoleon-monuments.eu/MONUMENTSENPERIL/Belgique.htm)

 


Update: 01/02/11

This commemorative stone on the southern wall has recently been stolen.  The stone has been very "carefully" cut out and taken away. The theft probably took place around mid-December and a car with Dutch licence plate has been seen by witnesses.  Moreover, a part of the roof was blown away and water infiltrations get worse.  A request by the burgomaster to cover the roof with a canvas sheet remained had no effect.

Before:                                                                                                                                                                                            Now :

First request for demolition 2008

18/09/08

Dear Friends,

First of all, many thanks !

Your reactions exceeded all our hopes! 

Many Napoleonic associations and many personalities answered our call and indicated their concern for this historic building towards the local authorities.

I mention, more of less in chronological order :

- the A.C.M.N. (Association for the preservation of Napoleonic monuments) (through the President, Mr Robert Chénier, and many membres, among whom the webmaster of the website, who started this action)
- the Souvenir Napoléonien (through the President, Mr Ronald Zins)
- the Amis de Ligny (through the President, Colonel e.r. Pierre COUVREUR, and the Secretary general)
- the Amis de l'Empéri (through the President)
- the City of Fleurus
- the 'Associazione Napoleonica Italiana (to be confirmed)
- the A.P.N. (Friends of the Napoleonic Heritage)(through the President and the Secretary general)
- the Mexico-France Napoleonic Institute - Instituto Napoleónico México-Francia INMF - Asociación Histórica y Cultural (through the President Mr Eduardo Garzon-Sobrado).
- the International Napoleonic Society (INS) (through the President, the late Mr Ben Weider and the official delegate for France, Mr Jean-Claude Damamme)
and last but not least Lieutenant General Sir Peter Graham, KCB CBE, last Colonel The Gordon Highlanders.

We also received many reactions and letters of support from Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Great-Britain, Switzerland, Spain, Germany and even Canada and Mexico !
 

07/11/08
What's the current situation
?

The Mayor and his deputies, as well as the local government technical official and the representative of the Ministry of the Walloon Region have rejected the request for destruction as brought in by the property developer.

Please find underneath the e-mail which has just been sent by the local council of Genappe.

« Re.      :         request for a single planning permission  N° 2008/02

Demolition of a farm and building of an apartment complex and shops and running of a covered parking complex of 47 parking places and a propane storage of 50.000 litres.

Located at 1470 Baisy-Thy and 1495 Villers-La-Ville, at the corner of the rue du Dernier Patard 91 and the chaussée de Namur

Land Registry section M, n° 257h, 258m2, 260m, 260n, 258f2, 257g in Baisy-Thy and Land Registry section A, n° 35g and 35h in Villers-La-Ville.

Asked by : IMMO RPM SPRL

            ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

    Dear Sirs,
 

                We inform you of the fact that the thing planning permission mentioned above has been refused by the local government technical official and by the representative of the Ministry of the Walloon Region on the 24th of October 2008.


    A notice specifying the object of the decision and the methods of appeal will be displayed on the spot and at the town hall from 05 until
27 November 2008.


    During this period, the requests and the decision can be consulted at the town planning department during working hours from 8h00 until 11h45 and on Thursday from 16h30 until 19h00.


               Yours sincerely.
 

   For the Town Planning Department
   NN.
 

So this is an important positive point.  We have won the first battle, but the war is far from over. We must stay alert and remain mobilised, because the property developer will surely bring in a new projet. 

If you haven't done yet, you can still ask to be directly informed by giving your name, first name, address and e-mail address to the administration of Genappe, at following e-mail address info@genappe.be , asking to be informed of the evolution of the project.

The more people write, the more they’ll feel the importance of the matter.

 I’ll try to pass there to have a look and see what is displayed.

Of course, we shall keep you informed of any development. Please let us know if your association or yourself do something. Thanks in advance.

Many thanks to Mr Yves Moerman, Eduardo Garzon-Sobrado, Robert Chénier and Bas de Groot for the information and the support they gave us.

Any question or information may be passed on to : dominique.timmermans[a]skynet.be .

You can discuss the matter here : http://www.napoleon-series.org/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?read=96815

 

 

07/09/2008

Dear Friends,

Another witness of the Napoleonic era is about to disappear.  I just heard that a request had been brought in for an authorisation to demolish the famous Quatre-Bras farm, at the crossroads of the roads from Namur to Nivelles and from Brussels to Charleroi, one of the last witnesses of the famous battle on the 16th of June 1815.

 Here is a picture of the advertisement.

 

It is not too late to intervene, but it is time, and well worth trying.

If some British Napoleonic association would care to send a lettre to the Communal Administration of Genappe, we are sure this could have some impact !

Send your remarks/questions/disapproval to the :

Collège communal,

Espace 2000 n° 3

1470 Genappe

 

Thank you to inform us of any action or letter at dominique.timmermans[a]skynet.be.

You can find the exact spot on GoogleEarth by looking for 50°34' 17.53 N et 4° 27'13.72 E.

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